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The Boxscore Geeks Show: The Most Improved and Valuable Rudy Gay

The Boxscore Geeks show returns! For those that want this in audio form, we've got you covered: We're also in the iTunes store now too. Sadly Patrick couldn't join us, but we found an unacceptable stand-in. Enjoy!

The Rudy Gay Trade

We were less than impressed with this trade. You can check the stats and make your own decision. Arturo says we don't dislike Rudy Gay, he just represents everything wrong with the NBA playing style. There's a chance Cousins and Gay's terrible style somehow cancel each other out ... or not. With that, Arturo has a great nickname for the Kings' offense: "Shot in the dark"

The Most Improved

Patrick broke down the most improved players so far this season. We definitely wanted to discuss Beasley, who has been terrible until now! Arturo is also happy Jordan Crawford is playing well for the Celtics. Are any of these players for real? Have they finally found the right system to stay good? We'll have to wait and see.

Most Valuable Player

LeBron James just may be the best ever. It's hard to find much to disagree on. There are still circumstances where he could miss the MVP. We punt around a few other names, but it looks like the MVP will come from the east this season.

Summing Up

That's our show! Thanks as always to our producer Brian Foster (@boxscorebrian) If you have anything you'd like to hear us talk about, hit up the comments or tweet us (@arturogalletti, @nbageek, @nerdnumbers) We also want to try and keep the podcast around the same length every week. We've been batting it around but decided to ask you. What do you loyal listeners prefer: 30 or 45 minutes? Thanks!

Won't be the first time missed a MVP trophy but I stopped caring about awards. Its all about production in the regular season. Its the reason they get paid so why not go on that?
Cousins played with Kentucky by the way.
True. For some reason as a GTech alum I default to them as a questionable and unethical college basketball program. :-/
Great to have another show, I'm about to listen now. If you guys could add a download to the audio page for those of us who want to listen to it later that would be great (and for the life of me I don't understand why so many sites don't have a download option for mp3s but do have a link to iTunes... its so easy to add the link and there are a fair number of us who hate iTunes).
I'm not sure you can call Rudy Gay "everything that's wrong with player valuation in the NBA" anymore if NBA teams have mostly wised up enough not to value him highly.
Also, insofar as we care about who's "Most Improved," I think there are really three lenses through which to look at it...

Literal Most Improved: The player whose actual production improves the most, even if a good portion of that improvement can be attributed to moving to favorable coach/system. Beasley is an obvious candidate for this.

Personally Most Improved: The player whose play has most improved based on his own growth as a player. I think that the NBA commentariat likes to pretend that this is who wins MIP, but that's rarely the case. I'm not sure who this would really be this year. Wesley Johnson?

NBA Most Improved: The player who's actually checking the boxes to win the award. As you've pointed out, it's often just an already good player with a minute increase. The most boring category and, of course, given how the Association works, the most important.
Sorry for late reply: We have a section for downloading direct (and RSS feed) and here's the page for this ep:, I'll make sure to include these more prominently in the future.
Arturo, more interest question, is who is in that top 5 of projected prospects in your database? Beasley is one. I think Blair is in the top 5 as well if remembered from the wages of wins.
Love the podcast, guys! I would prefer the 45min version to the 30min. Love hearing your thoughts on all things hoops.

Thanks so much! The new site is awesome and I love all the features you guys are adding. The podcast was great by the way. I really enjoy your articles but for some reason I feel that the podcasts bring out a bit more balance in your analysis (more talk about defense and other things which are not always brought about in the box score). Obviously I think that metrics which adequately measure performance are better than the "eye test" which constantly lies, but it is nice to add in a bit of analysis to supplement the areas that the box score doesn't always cover.

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